What English Catholicism will look like in 2115

Distribution of English Recusant Catholics, 17...

Distribution of English Recusant Catholics, 1715-1720. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

This is pretty interesting, and while it specifically talks about England, it perhaps has wider application.

A century from now Catholics are likely to be the country’s largest Christian body. But the priesthood, the Mass and the laity may look startlingly different to today

An English Catholic in 1615 lived an entirely different life from one in the early 1700s, 1800s, 1900s or 2000s. The changing backdrops of the Elizabethan persecutions, the Jacobite revolutions, the legalisation of Catholicism, the First World War and modern secularisation gave each of them historically distinct experiences. By 2115, the life of an English Catholic will be different again.

Some of the following predictions are guaranteed to be wrong. Casting the runes of the future is an imprecise art. However, the broad themes of the next 100 years are already taking shape.

The first is the de-Christianising of England, where the number of Christians is dropping. This affects the Catholic Church as it does the others, yet not all are falling at the same rate. The most acute crisis is in the Church of England, where recent independent statistics show membership fell from 40 per cent of the population in 1983 to 17 per cent in 2014, a drop of 58 per cent.

Source: CatholicHerald.co.uk » What English Catholicism will look like in 2115

I doubt anything will be as he says, actually. The West is far too dynamic to be predicted a hundred years out, in any detail at all. Could anyone have predicted the world of 1915 in 1815? Or today’s world in 1915? It’s beyond the realm of possibility, I think. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t think about the actions we take in terms of the future, but we shouldn’t think we can see clearly through this very dark glass either. Because there is something out there, today, as radical as the cotton gin, or the telegraph, or the internet, which will again change the world, in ways we cannot predict, and that likely will happen many times in the next century.

May you live in interesting times, indeed.

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16 Responses to What English Catholicism will look like in 2115

  1. the unit says:

    Well I sure don’t know. But as usual reading here has led me to interesting places. Comments following your link @ Catholic Herald mentioned rate of Muslims converting to Christianity like never been seen before. A little research seems to bear that out. And the increase in Muslims is due to fertility and birth rate, not conversion.
    Also led to site that said gaining 35% of Latino vote could put a Republican in the WH. It said Mitt garnered 27% in ’12 and GWB garnered 44% in ’04. So maybe 35% reachable? Article said most Latino’s values similar to conservatives, if Reps would emphasize them maybe reach more.
    I don’t know. Article said Jeb and Marco most likely to attract. I was sort of out with both of them.

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    • NEO says:

      That’s part of why I like some of these articles – they make one think beyond the obvious.

      I’m not overjoyed with them either, but Jeb actually governed far more​ ‘conservatively’ than he speaks.

      So, I guess​ we’ll just have to see..

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      • the unit says:

        Don’t recall any specifics, but remember being pleased with him as governor. Of course I’d been around and run over by lots of Demos, starting with Rubin Askew. 🙂

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        • NEO says:

          Indeed. Dan Mitchell ran a statistical​ comparison the other day (I’ll see later if I can find it) and Jeb came out as governing more conservatively (economically, if I recall) than anyone else. And he seems to have learned more about common core lately. 🙂 Now if he was a bit more dynamic and his name wasn’t Bush, we might just have a winner. Or not. I sure don’t know! 🙂

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        • the unit says:

          And being promised no more than today (and just part of it now), neither do I know. Think I may have a better chance to find out though than what 2115 will look like anywhere to anyone. lol

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        • NEO says:

          Personally​, I can’t quite figure​ out what 2016 is going to look like! 🙂

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  2. Yes, the great question is just what kind of “Catholicism” this will be? Myself, as a onetime cradle Irish Roman Catholic, and one raised in Dublin Ireland in the 1950’s, and early 60’s, I don’t see much true Catholicism in so-called “Francis”, nor in the majority of today’s so-called Catholics! And the so-called Catholic Ordinariate does not appear all that well in my opinion?

    Btw, we in the West really need to break the political cycle in today’s so-called Christian modernity/postmodernity! But, it is very doubtful this will now ever happen? Eschatology is being pieced together now as we speak, and here GOD is surely in control. Humanity must run its course right thru National Israel! (Zech. 14 / Rev. 1: 7) Some of my beliefs at least!

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    • NEO says:

      It’s plenty murky, especially at this distance. I have friends that think the Ordinariate is considerably more (traditionally, anyway) than what remains of the RCC itself in England. Well over my pay grade though.

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      • Yes, some cradle traditional Catholics have themselves run over to fellowship with the English Ordinariate. But this is not even a crack in the dike, at least in my opinion. Dry days are ahead for Traditional Catholics and Catholicism! Not to mention the gay life and lobby inside the Catholic hierarchy. And the Irish lay vote on this subject also moves in this direction!

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        • And make no mistake, sexual sin is a covenant-breaker before God! (1 Cor. 6: 9 ; 18-19-20) Or to use old Catholic doctrine, a “mortal sin”! (Heb. 13: 4 / Rev. 22: 15)

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        • the unit says:

          Hello Faddah Robert, glad to see you commenting on the post points. I’ve already in previous comments told what I know about Catholics. Not much, two things which I’ll not repeat, nothing detrimental at all. I’ve had quite a few friends of that faith I liked a lot.

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        • Unit: Yes, I still have many Catholic friends myself, both extended family in Ireland and in the UK, and one’s I have met in the USA. I don’t see myself as anti-Catholic, at least as to the people, but of course biblically and doctrinally Catholicism has many errors and problems, just as simple as that. And I am always amazed that so called Protestant Christians can go to Rome? It appears to be a human need for authority and also aspects of human mysticism, that has been my take at least.

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        • the unit says:

          Fr. Robert…Lots of understanding and from experience loaded up in your last sentence, in what is expected and wished to be bewitched for.

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        • Unit, “bewitched”, that is a great word and statement therein, for what I have seen in certain aspects in Catholicism! But of course I am a biblical and Reformational convert. 🙂

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