Syria, Just War, Unlikely Allies, and a Bit More.

So tonight Parliament will vote on joining us, the Russians, the French and some others in air attacks in Syria (they already are in Iraq). It’s a contentious issue, as you might imagine. Obama’s throwing away the belated victory that GEN Petraeus gave us left a foul taste in their mouth, as it did many of ours.

Jeremy Corbin is against it, of course. He is against it as near as I can tell because it might be good for western civilization. That said he may be right, even if for the wrong reasons. David Cameron claims to lead a Christian nation, and in fact, there are many exemplary Christians in the United Kingdom. But if he truly believes that, he should be able to justify intervention on Christian grounds. That is difficult.

When Christian nations go to war (and that is what this amounts to) they should be guided by the Just War Theory. This was mostly written by Thomas Aquinas, and later expanded by The School of Salamanca.  For the most part, we all abide with the Roman Catholic Church’s Just War Doctrine which states:

  • the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
  • all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
  • there must be serious prospects of success;
  • the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated (the power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition).

And this is where the problem is. There is almost no chance of air strikes achieving peace if the they abide with proportionate force. Those are what in logic we call an “AND Statement”. They all have to be true, and that cannot happen. So Corbyn is arguably right, but because his premise is so wrong, he is essentially eliminated from the discussion.


I see the New York mob has told ISIS that they will protect New Yorkers as well. many are treating it as somewhat of a joke. That’s easy to do, but it’s not all together. If one were to look at World War Two, one would find that the mafia (under Lucky Luciano) had much to do with keeping the Port of New York working smoothly, they do have some power, and it’s not always used for evil. There’s also this, one of my nieces used to live in Brooklyn, in Gambino’s neighborhood, in fact, and during the days when New York was out of control. But not her neighborhood, she says she barely had to lock her car, security was so good, and no, it wasn’t the NYPD. Don’t look gift horses in the mouth, the Mob isn’t a bunch of do-gooders, but when our interests coincide, it’s better to have them on our side than not.


George Will writing in The Washington Post speaks of Hitler, not as a madman, but as the implementor of a coherent worldview. It is a far more scary view than as a madman, especially if we were to apply it to a nuclear Iran. Here’s a bit:

Snyder presents a Hitler more troubling than a madman, a Hitler implementing the logic of a coherent worldview. His life was a single-minded response to an idea so radical that it rejected not only the entire tradition of political philosophy but also the possibility of philosophy, which Hitler supplanted by zoology.

“In Hitler’s world,” Snyder writes, “the law of the jungle was the only law.” The immutable structure of life casts the various human races as separate species. Only races are real and they are locked in mutual and unassuageable enmity, in Hitler’s mind-set, because life is constant struggle over scarcities — of land, food and other necessities.

One group, however, poisoned the planet with another idea. To Hitler, says Snyder, “It was the Jew who told humans that they were above other animals, and had the capacity to decide their future for themselves.” To Hitler, “Ethics as such was the error; the only morality was fidelity to race.”

Source: Does Iran’s anti-Semitism run too deep for deterrence?

Hat tip and more from: Hitler’s worldview

 

I really meant to write today about the ridiculous crony-capitalist fraud-o-rama taking place in Paris this fortnight, but it will have to wait for another day. As long as India says go away, and China and the US are not willing to go back to the thirteenth century standard of living, it’ll be ignored, just as Kyoto was. Another good reason not to elect Hillary! though.

 

 

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19 Responses to Syria, Just War, Unlikely Allies, and a Bit More.

  1. Today, the Roman Catholic Church and the Papacy only gives lip service to the Just War theory of Aquinas! And even in WW II, the Papacy sat back alone, and was obviously somewhat complicit with Hitler and Germany. I don’t see how we can measure it any other way, and of course too with Mussolini, see David Kertzer’s book: The Pope and Mussolini, The Secret History of Pius XI and the Rise of Fascism in Europe. One simply cannot escape history here!

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  2. the unit says:

    “a bit more.” I was reading comments this morning, one said France needs a monarchy again to bring it under control.
    A bit? Should work. From Wiki…”Bits are designed to work by pressure, not pain. Depending on the style of bit, pressure can be brought to bear on the bars, tongue, and roof of the mouth, as well as the lips, chin groove and poll.”
    Poll supervised by New Black Panthers with intimidation not pain,… yet. 🙂

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    • And sadly the British monarchy has gone to pot! The loss of freedom, is the loss of the Judeo-Christian religion and ethic, such is modernity & postmodernity! The culture of the herd mentality. Oh yes, Britain and especially the UK has “a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.” (2 Tim. 3: 5) But the West just keeps on imbibing such!

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    • “I was reading comments this morning, one said France needs a monarchy again to bring it under control.”

      As odd as it sounds, prophesy states that France will indeed end up with a monarch, who will also be crowned Holy Roman Emperor, and he will drive the muslims out of Europe. Just an interesting note on that comment….

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      • the unit says:

        I do think the comment went on and mentioned the Muslims would be driven to North Africa and be just a small tribe.

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        • Sounds like my comment… 🙂

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        • the unit says:

          🙂 I bet it was. Or someone who had read yours. I can’t remember who to give credit to.

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      • NEO says:

        That is interesting.

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      • Btw, just wondering where THIS French prophesy comes from?

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        • About Europe having a King once again? It is scattered through Catholic prophecies over many centuries, which is what makes it all the more hard to ignore. Different “prophets,” at different periods of history, in different countries – so many have made this prophecy.

          Such as: Blessed Johannes Amadeus de Sylva, 15th century, Werdin O’Ptrante, 13th century, Sister Marianne Gaultier, 18th century, Catherine Emmerich, 18th & 19th centuries, St. Francis of Paola, 15th century, the Ecstatic of Tours, 19th century, St. Hildegard of Bingen, 12th century, St. Cataldus, 5th century….and so on.

          There is a handy little book, almost pocket sized, that is a great reference. It is called “Catholic Prophecy” by Yves Dupont.

          God bless!

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        • Thanks to share! I of course only consider foremost Biblical Prophesy (i.e. from the Bible Text alone), but I have found the so-called Irish St. Malachy’s prophecies to be of interest, as to the Papacy! But see too, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, (1994, 1997), under that Church’s final trial: “Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.” (Page 176, CCC)

          And to my mind (as others, even Traditional Catholics) “Francis” comes close here with some of his Jesuit social gospel!

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  3. Well, some may laugh at the whole mob thing, but I agree that they can sometimes do some good. I do not support them, but they are human, and they can sometimes care.

    Case in point: my grandma, back in the 1920s, lived across the street from an entire family who was in the mafia. One night, she was walking home from work late, and decided to cross through a park. Going up a set of steps, she was attacked by a man she could not clearly recognize. She managed to get away unscathed, and somehow the story made it back to her unusual neighbors across the street.

    As a result, they gathered all of the young men in the neighborhood, sat them down on the curb, and then walked along the curb with a glove while slapping each one in the face with said glove. The young men were told that although no one could determine who had attacked her, if anyone ever dared to lay a hand on any of the girls in my grandmothers family ever again, they would answer to the local mob family.

    No one ever messed with my grandma again as far as I know.

    Good deed done. 🙂 Now, if only there was a glove big enough, and a curb long enough, to line up all the Muslims of the world, and give them all one big gigantic mafia slap!

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    • NEO says:

      Ain’t that the truth! 🙂

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      • the unit says:

        It may be a long time from now. But old saying “bringing home the bacon” comes to mine. 🙂

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        • NEO says:

          🙂 The Brits got in trouble in the wars in India when it came out that the paper cartridges were waterproofs with park, and beef tallow. Whoops! 🙂

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        • the unit says:

          So there is a place for progress, in waterproofing essentials. Lena Dunham should be happy. 🙂

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        • NEO says:

          🙂

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        • the unit says:

          Memory was slow. Was really trying to think of another, but this Fluke works too. lol

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