Less than a Fortnight

trump-putin-1024We haven’t said much here about Russia. There’s a reason for that. The Adaptive Curmudgeon (wonderful name, BTW) spells out that reason for us and for you.

Nobody regrets this advice:

“If you’re doing a dumb, dangerous thing for a bad reason, or aren’t really clear on the reason… stop it.”

Reasonable people can (and should) reasonably disagree. The proper foreign policy of America, a nation of 300+ million people, is certain to create an array of options and folks will flock to various points on a spectrum. Fine, I get it. It’s all a complex mosaic, blah blah blah.

That said, whatever interests seem to be converging right now on the “antagonize Russia” gambit… please stop. Whatever game you think you’re playing; it’s not worth it.

It’s unwise. Russia is the big leagues. No matter how much you’re cheesed off that the future president lacks a vagina, has bad hair, or doesn’t like Obamacare… it’s not worth going large.

via Eleven Days | Adaptive Curmudgeon Read the whole thing, comments too. That’s something often overlooked. We who write blog posts don’t cover everything, you can learn a lot from our various commenters.

Yeah, mucking about seriously with Russia is just about the most stupid thing we can do. That’s why for the last 50 or so years, we haven’t made a lot of noise about them interfering in all sorts of things. Anybody really think, for example, that the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) was a British grassroots outfit? Yeah, me neither. Some bears are best to let lie and sleep. This is decidedly one of them.

The saving grace is, of course, that Putin and Trump are sane, and have little desire to take each other on. That’s great, but it makes me question just what this noise is all about. I often wonder if one of AC’s commenters is right here.

I would only note that President Putin believes in Russia as an independent sovereign nation, and thinks that Western culture is worth preserving.

President Trump also believes in the United States as an independent sovereign nation, and also thinks that Western culture is worth preserving.

Those who are poking the Russian bear do NOT believe in either Russia nor the United States as sovereign independent nations, and are doing their best to destroy Western culture.

The first two paragraphs are givens, I think, and I’m not entirely sure that the third isn’t true as well, noting as the commenter did, that neither of us means the Democratic Party exclusively, there are lots of Republicans involved as well.

In any case, pushing (or trying to) Russia around is a fool’s bet, just as it is with the United States. I think we’ll give AC the last word here, cause I can’t do better, and he deserves it.

We’re both nations of genuine bad asses and we shouldn’t be getting in barroom spats. Doubt me? Ask Napoleon about messing with Russia. Ask Japan about messing with America. We’re both big and slow and goofy but we can both land a punch like no other. Nothing that happened in 2016 merits antagonism.

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34 Responses to Less than a Fortnight

  1. Jan Hanssen says:

    I am not sure much here makes sense.

    Russia is not as powerful as you might suspect. Its deployment of the Kuznetsov this past year into the Med failed miserably, it was effectively unable to adequately deploy or recover aircraft. Much of their military remains in disrepair and unable to perform modern missions. This does not mean they cannot cause harm, but the level of decay is significant. Their main outlay is now in cheaper alternatives, such as cyber.
    Russia invaded and annexed the territory of another country. I am not sure if you support this or not, but it seems someone interested in history would find this troublesome.
    The current US President Elect has some concerning views on Russia, and ties to Russian criminal money. The Financial Times has reported this but not much in the US. Do you have a FT subscription?

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    • NEO says:

      True, Russia is a regional power, as I’ve always maintained, and not a real threat to the US per se, but what about Germany, say. Except of course, for their nukes, which is what we’re speaking of here. It is almost impossible for Russia to fight the US without it going nuclear, and ours, and theirs, will likely work.

      But the instability caused by this nonsense, makes a European war more likely, and we have treaty obligations, to Europe, and so that too is concerning. Not least because Europe seems not to have the will to defend itself.

      I’m done answering personal question on the blog, you are far too presumptuous in thinking that I will. Can the personal questions, or get out. I’m tired of your presuming you are of a better class than me. I could show those who disagree but you are simply too unimportant to bother.

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      • Yes, the Russians are surely in the “Big Leagues”, and they will – in my opinion – be one of the great leads (out of the North, Muslims including) in the Eschatological End, on the heals of Modern and National Israel! (Ezekiel 38-39 / Zech. 13: 8-9 ; chap. 14)

        It’s NOT rocket science, but Biblical Belief!

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        • NEO says:

          Noting, as one of AC’s commenters did, the symbol of the Romanov dynasty was a double headed eagle.

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        • http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/obama-admin-european-allies-make-secret-gift-of-uranium-to-iran/2017/01/09/

          *Amazing!

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        • NEO says:

          Sadly, not very amazing, really.

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        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-headed_eagle

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        • The long connection between Serbia and Russia is most interesting, and its resurgence in the 1990’s. And the Antichrist will be a Man of War, rather than peace. The Antichrist will in reality have a limited dominion, and not control every nation, but he will attack “Israel”! And even in the study of Biblical Prophecy we must see the use of “hyperbole” in Holy Scripture. Where and what will the Western Nations do during this time, we can only look at the present day, and beyond. But history does spiritually repeat itself surely!

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        • I should have put that last blog piece here! But, it all moves together!

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        • Yes, we are seeing things sadly we have NEVER seen in the West! The great question becomes, can we recover ourselves here, both historically (culture) and spiritually? Speaking for myself, as a Christian pastor & teacher, it does NOT look good! But we can hope with both of the Western type “Brexit’s”… the UK and the US Trump!

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      • Jan Hanssen says:

        Europe is invested in defending itself, I am not sure why you think otherwise. I myself served at ISAF HQ/RS HQ in the JENG. I don’t talk about it, but there is an international presence in NATO and other international locations.

        Why do you think otherwise?

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        • NEO says:

          Yeah, at about 1% of gnp, while Britain spends 2% and we spend about 5%, currently.

          There is, and I’ve spoken of it, but in real terms it is inconsequential, and has been since 1990 at least.

          And mostly it’s political leadership anyway.

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        • Jan Hanssen says:

          Your metrics are not very informative. How much should European nations spend? The US has vested interests in multiple theaters, European defense is far more limited, despite European support outside of our theater, usually in support of US or humanitarian interests. Furthermore, our defense is largely collective.

          More appropriately, Saudi Arabia spends more as a percentage and per capita than anyone, and no one would assume they were more capable because the number is higher. There is no reason to make assumptions based on the number itself independent of efficiency of spending. Do you have a viable metric to discuss efficiency?

          There was a military symposium I attended (maybe in Annapolis, Maryland, I do not remember) where Canada stated that the US should effectively abandon most of its local brown water efforts (as opposed to international brown water), as Canada had little blue water interests, but could fill the gap while the US carried out the blue water efforts. The US will not do this, so they effectively recreate the wheel instead of rely on allies for specialization. This could lead to higher costs without significant strategic advantage.

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        • NEO says:

          How about if you met your treaty obligations – that would be 2%. Britain, and Poland, I think, do, nobody else.

          Sure, I don’t really disagree with Canada on that, for two reasons, we’ve got our Coast Guard that can cover what we need there, and two, Canada and the United States are pretty tightly integrated, in all areas. Against it would likely be that our reliance on spec ops people requires some brown water capability, as well.

          Our procurement, as you no doubt know, is a terrible mess. That stable badly needs cleaning

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        • The history of the European Military taking care of itself, especially with WW I, 2 and even after, simply cannot be measured without both the British and the Americans! Like it or not without both, Europe would NOT have survived! It should not baffle any true historical mind what would have happened to Europe without winning the Cold War! Both John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan should be hero’s to every European! But sadly, how quickly some forget!

          And not to forget, I am a Brit!

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        • Jan Hanssen says:

          Actually Greece meets the 2% metric. Germany does not. Specific question…

          Would you rather have a German Infantry Battalion supporting you, or a Greek Infantry Battalion?

          The insistence on the percentage metric misses many, many marks. For example the US number includes RDT&E, which is little more than a subsidy to your defense industry. Other nations may not have an indigenous defense industry, so this number makes the US percentage artificially high and is not a valid comparison.

          Many nations in Europe have some form of national health care that is not included in in their defense budget, but covers their military forces and veterans. We also pay far less for our health care, were it included, so a poor health care system, that is inefficient to boot, is hardly a reason to judge us. Though I suspect you are on Medicare, which is considered widely successful, as I understand it.

          The numbers simply do not mean the same thing in difference contexts, and you are missing that, either because you do not know, or because your argument cannot be supported without it so you are ignoring it.

          But as I said earlier, Saudi Arabia has a very high percentage, so to change the original question, would you rather have a Saudi battalion supporting you, or a German one? The Saudis pay four times more for theirs. So it must be four times better?

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        • NEO says:

          Neither, I have full confidence in troops from US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Germany leads the second rank, maybe, along with France. East European, well, I simply don’t know.

          Just what I want, a part time NHS quack in a field hospital. Yes, there are differences, but most major NATO countries have some semblance of an arms industry, heck, a lot of our stuff has BAE written all over it. The Saudi’s, in my understanding, simply don’t fit the European/American tradition of military services, which come from the ancient Greek, but are more akin to medieval raiding parties.

          No I’m not on Medicare, I pay out of pocket for my health care, and know what it costs, no where near what I would pay (in taxes) in Europe.

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        • Jan Hanssen says:

          Which troops have you served with? How much of “our” stuff with BAE on it have you personally worked with?

          As for the NHS, as much as you hold it in disregard, you would likely have better health if you fell under the NHS than you do now, statistically speaking. Have you ever been treated in the field by a British doctor? They’re not bad. Neither are the Poles.

          Which arms industries are you referring to? The US exports almost as much as the next 4 countries combined, and more than the ten after that (again combined). Simply put the RDT&E numbers are a huge discrepancy. As are the health care expenditures again, change the budgetary calculus. Your numbers just do not work. Did you look into military exports before writing? If so, where?

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        • Btw, one wonders where our Dutch friend is going with this so-called dialogue? Numbers and statistics – assembling, classifying, tabulating, and analyzing, etc. But what is the big point and picture? Remember, this is just an open blog! And NEO’s to boot!

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        • NEO says:

          He’s going nowhere, Fr. Because I’m done playing gotcha games with him.

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        • Amen NEO! I am glad to hear it! THIS is your blog, and dialogue. As the farmer said, ‘My Barn, My Rules’! 🙂

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        • the unit says:

          He’s kinda like as Clooney said about himself “I can’t change policy … but I can make things louder.”
          Clooney as he gets older is looking more and more like George Soros.
          http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/entertainment/2017/01/10/george-clooney-hopes-trump-succeeds-because-terrible-things-happen-when-president-fails/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1484056156692.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

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        • Clooney is overrated! But, he does have a beautiful wife, but I bet very high maintenance! 😉

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        • NEO says:

          Bet he is, as well. 😉

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        • Beauty with a law brain, that will keep ya thinking and moving! Btw, she (Amal) is British and Lebanese. But Lord she is gorgeous on the outside! 🙂 Yes, when we baby-boomer men stop lov’in to look at women, then I think we are done! I think of King David and his Son Solomon born of Bathsheba (his eldest surviving). They both loved women!

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        • NEO says:

          A bit too much, but yeah, when we quit looking, well, just bury us and be done with it. 🙂

          Yep, she is, a wonderful mix, I think.

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        • Yes, we Irish straight-males are just a bit hot-blooded! But, we must be honest, though as Christian’s controlled! 🙂 (Funny that today we need to qualify being “straight”! Strange times!)

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        • NEO says:

          Indeed, but we’re old enough to pretty much assume, unless told otherwise. 🙂

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        • Explain your point some?

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        • My better half who reads my blog sometimes, did get the point? 🙂

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        • *did NOT get the point?

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        • NEO says:

          Just that in our time, we assumed straight, barring evidence to the contrary. 🙂 Sorry, missed the question.

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  2. Thanks for the link!

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    • NEO says:

      Glad to, a most perceptive article. Good luck with the new site.

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