Dunbar’s Number and Society

And so today, we welcome a new author to NEO, Frank Clune, a very intelligent Englishman, whom I’m very proud to have on board. His introductory post here grew out of a conversation he had with Audre, and I think it fascinating, not to mention enlightening. So, help me welcome Frank, and wish him many comments and likes! Neo.


There is no systemic racism in the United States of America, there are only racist people.

If I look back over my lifetime in England my father and mother would, by today’s standards, be considered racist – though my father was the man who broke the colour bar at the then Preston Polytechnic (on the entirely reasonable grounds that it wasn’t fair to deny a man a job because of the colour of his skin). Clement Attlee, Abraham Lincoln and many, many other heroes of the left made statements that would cast them out into the Pale nowadays. Truly, history is ideology projected into the past.

As far as unconscious bias is concerned, it’s chasing ghosts. The unconscious is, by definition, unknowable. Attempts to change this by behavioural therapy smack of Lysenkoism and are viciously sinful, attempting, as they do, to change the essential nature of Man.

What we do have is the instinct to identify with our tribe, whatever that might be. And there are upper limits as to how many people that can incorporate. This from Wikipedia:

Dunbar’s number is a suggested cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships—relationships in which an individual knows who each person is and how each person relates to every other person. This number was first proposed in the 1990s by British anthropologist Robin Dunbar, who found a correlation between primate brain size and average social group size. By using the average human brain size and extrapolating from the results of primates, he proposed that humans can comfortably maintain 150 stable relationships. Dunbar explained it informally as “the number of people you would not feel embarrassed about joining uninvited for a drink if you happened to bump into them in a bar”

You note that there’s no mention of skin colour, religious affiliation, sexuality, sex, or any other characteristic. It is simply the number of people that one can accommodate in one’s life and feel some kind of responsibility towards. It is no accident that prehistoric tribes tended to be no bigger than this.

I identify as English, Lancastrian, Prestonian in that order. Within Prestonian I am from Ribbleton Avenue in the suburb of Ribbleton. In truth, my identity builds both ways and I suspect that is true of anyone who has a strong attachment to the place they were born.

These things are not only normal, they are also essential to our mental and spiritual well-being. I would identify much more strongly with a black family from Ribbleton than I would with a white family from West Sussex (two hundred and fifty miles south of Preston and a place where I spend far too much time). They would be ‘my’ people, ethnicity simply wouldn’t come into it.

In my tribe, the majority of people are white Anglo-Saxons, which is hardly surprising given the ethnic makeup of the country that I live in. But it also includes black people (that is the correct way of addressing a person of colour in the UK and is not in any way derogatory or racist), Pakistani Muslims, Jewish people, Asian-Chinese, Polish, Italian, Croatian and the Lord alone knows what else.

The modern identitarians want you to despair in order that you will give up. They have nothing to offer in place of our decent and thoughtful way of life other than chaos and violence which reflects their internal – nihilistic – processes. In fact, there is no better sign of the diseased mind than when some kid tells you to check your bias (my responses to that can be rather cutting). That really is pot calling kettle black.

The other (un)intended consequence is that our societies could become so fearful that we retreat into ethnic enclaves. There is something of that going on in the UK with the ethnic Pakistani/Bangladeshi populations already. And a consequent discounting of them as people amongst the majority white population which has to suffer this nonsense.

This is bad for everyone. There are many reasons why this has happened including multiculturalism (by which every culture is deemed to have equal value. A Pakistani hill tribe practicing witchcraft, ritual murder, and the silencing of women is equal to our centuries-old English civilisation? Please!).

Never forget that the left gets everything wrong. Whilst France and Germany used Marshall Aid to build up their industries after the war, in the UK we spent it on the NHS, nationalising transport and the mines, and subsidising living standards. All under a socialist government (guess which countries have got the better health services? Clue, it isn’t the UK).

We have problems in our countries and some of them aren’t pretty. But with God’s grace and our efforts, we will overturn these wicked people and their materialistic values.

23 Responses to Dunbar’s Number and Society

  1. 39 Pontiac Dream says:

    Excellent article and I couldn’t agree more.

    As for your responses being cutting, I wouldn’t have got that from your replies on TCW. ;\
    Cutting yes, but hilarious!

    Liked by 4 people

  2. audremyers says:

    Outstanding article – beautifully written.

    ‘Our’ Frank is far more than just a pretty face.

    Liked by 4 people

  3. NEO says:

    As I said, an excellent article, on something I, at least, had never heard of but makes good sense.

    Liked by 3 people

  4. Scoop says:

    I can totally agree with the Dunbar’s Number in relation to our social circles as individuals. To create a religion or to create a sovereign country there must thereby be something else at play to allow them to flourish or die. It seems to me that acceptance of the same moral principles and/or our adherence and agreement with something like our Constitution is key to a comfortable life where we have some unity which allows us the freedom to speak and act within the boundaries of accepted laws as a society or as a religious body. And under said laws of the Church or laws of a country there must be equality under the law and conversely the rejection of said religions beliefs or country’s laws which deserve punishment for infractions and total removal if they are disruptive to the entire corpus.

    We are now entering the plight I see every day which is getting worse as I write. Anarchy in both the religious sphere and in the civil sphere seems almost par for the game today and when we no longer care to sustain these bodies then they will die; they die because of our indifference and neglect. The liberals, in fact, try to divide as their primary tool of destruction. Whether it is division of families or division by race or religion matters little to them. Any form of disunity is good and any form of unity makes them wince in fear. Unity of purpose and love of our country and countrymen is good. Love of our brothers and sisters in faith is another good and at least if not of the same religion, we hold to the same principles of the good.

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    • 39 Pontiac Dream says:

      Leftists are not too dissimilar to pack predators. Isolate one from the group – the weaker, the better – and then move in for the kill.

      You’ll have noticed that you rarely see one alone.

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      • Scoop says:

        True. And it is interesting to see the repetition of the same talking points get picked up and used by all of them as a slogan of sorts. They follow the advice they heard of so long ago: “repeat a lie enough times and people will start to believe it”.

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        • 39 Pontiac Dream says:

          In repeating lies, they eventually get found out. It’s when they repeat lies as a form of truth that you have to worry. It’s much easier to do that when the truth has been erased which is what they’re trying to do; or at least, paint over the truth and repackage the lies as their form of acceptable truth.

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        • Scoop says:

          Very true and we must not forget how they change the meanings of words so that language itself is under attack. One day a particular word is just a word and later it is seen as a weapon, unacceptable and hate speech.

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      • Frank Clune says:

        The tactics of cowards, existing in a moral vacuum of their own creation.

        Liked by 2 people

    • Frank Clune says:

      I agree entirely. Chaos is their leitmotif and our sworn enemy.

      Liked by 4 people

      • Scoop says:

        I guess the question of the age is, “where or how will this end”: Civil War, Totalitarianism, Devastated Wasteland, Global War, Global World Order (which is disorder for the rest of us)? Things look bleak especially since the people are not rising against the unholy tide at near the numbers that I would think necessary to drive these pests from our midst. Bleak days ahead is my estimation but I can still hope for better days even if it is a long-shot.

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        • Frank Clune says:

          Maybe I’m just an eternal optimist but I do believe that these people reached the peak of their influence some time ago.
          What we’re seeing now is classic post-revolutionary nihilistic indulgence. A lot of noise and nothing of substance. They can’t impose their programme – such as it is – and have reached a dead end.
          The counter-revolution is still building momentum and it won’t be all bread and circuses, but it’s coming.

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        • Scoop says:

          I hope your right but then I have never seen senior military and security people side against a sitting President before. In the US that is like something you think of in a banana republic. Reminds me of the old book 7 Days in May. Things are very strange and dangerous. It is like a tsunami of events aimed at Trump, the people, and our rule of law. We’ll see how we do with this supposed draining of the swamp. The deep state seems a lot deeper than we thought it was.

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  5. A great paragraph here:

    “As far as unconscious bias is concerned, it’s chasing ghosts. The unconscious is, by definition, unknowable. Attempts to change this by behavioural therapy smack of Lysenkoism and are viciously sinful, attempting, as they do, to change the essential nature of Man.”

    It makes me think of A Clockwork Orange, and Anthony Burgess’s central question in that novel (and the Kubrick film): “Should men be free to choose to be evil, or should they be forced to be good?” At least, that’s what I see as the central question. Regardless, it seems the woke Left want to force us to be good, even if it means manipulating our unconsciousness—or our brains themselves.

    I saw recently a chilling clip of a four-year old black boy saying that, when he grows up, he wants to be a neurosurgeon, and he asked if he could operate on racist brains to make them not racist. Terrifying—and I feel sorry for that kid that he lives in a cultural miasma in which perceived “racism” is such an intolerable sin, we must cut people’s heads open to “fix” them. Shudder.

    Wonderful post, Frank. Welcome to NEO!

    Liked by 1 person

    • Frank Clune says:

      Thank you sir.

      You are absolutely right. The new Puritans have a lexicon, a priesthood, a caste system and a holy book all of their own. Their followers are zealots.

      That a four year old boy perceives it when the conservative establishment cannot is deeply dispiriting.

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  6. the unit says:

    Welcome Mr. Clune. Will enjoy reading your contributions as an author here I’m sure.
    As for heroes of the left, maybe you missed this acknowledgement from Northeastern Illinois University.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYO7lqxCMAEa_mK?format=jpg&name=small
    🙂

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