Sir Robert Peel, the Ruling Elite, and Antifa

Sir Robert Peel, Home Secretary under the Duke of Wellington, formed the London Metropolitan Police in 1829. He was also instrumental in the establishment of the Royal Ulster Constabulary. He thus became the ‘Mother of modern policing’ upon which policing in the Anglosphere (and elsewhere) is based.

He left us nine principles of modern policing which are the key to the successful policing of a democracy (or a constitutional republic). They are:

  1. To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.
  2. To recognize always that the power of the police to fulfill their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behavior, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.
  3. To recognize always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing cooperation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.
  4. To recognize always that the extent to which the cooperation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.
  5. To seek and preserve public favor, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humor, and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life.
  6. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public cooperation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.
  7. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
  8. To recognize always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty.
  9. To recognize always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.

Those are the principles upon which American police forces are based, and like the Met, some are coming into disrepute recently with the citizens, usually especially principles 5, 7, and 8 recently.

Why? Well, Colonel Schlichter has some thoughts:

Rioters and criminals get released with a wave and a smile; cops get threatened with death row for fighting back when a career criminal tries to taser them. It’s all a lie and a scam.

This is all part and parcel of a strategy to strip us of any kind of refuge or recourse from abuse. We cannot look to the marketplace of ideas to make our case because our case has been declared verboten. The institutions are arrayed against us. The law means nothing because it will not be enforced neutrally. So why again do we consider ourselves bound by the social contract the establishment has been using like Charmin?

What we are seeing is the elite’s ruthless pursuit of the power we stripped them of back in 2016 when we made the Hillary fans cry. And since then, despite it all, we have made progress – some good judges, no more wars, trade realism with China. But this is intolerable to the leftist Establishment.

I find it very difficult to disagree with him, as do many Americans, which is why May was the best ever month for gun sales, and June is expected to top that. That has much to do with the threats that Antifa is making to spread out from the ‘blue cities’, which America as a whole will not tolerate. We have too much to lose. So if the police abdicate the trust we’ve tried to have in them, as many are doing and/or if a two-tiered level of justice continues for much longer, we might as well disestablish the police forces, for then the rights, and the obligations, delineated in the constitution, the courts, and the police, will devolve back to the citizenry at large. Kurt may or may not be correct that this is a coup of the elite against the people, it doesn’t matter. That is the perception many (maybe most) of us have been given, and the sovereign American people will act accordingly. The police at all levels become something between superfluous to an enemy of the people.

I suggest that it is a very bad outcome, even if we win, and we would.

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30 Responses to Sir Robert Peel, the Ruling Elite, and Antifa

  1. audremyers says:

    I actually had a discussion with Lon the other day about our guns and ammunition. He says we have about three hundred rounds – which is, I guess, enough to protect us in our house. But then I read the link here https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/gabriel-hays/2020/06/22/blm-activist-shaun-king-directs-mob-destroy-statues-jesus and decided we may need more ammunition and my prepper food list has just increased.

    All this craziness is going to come to a head. Deep summer, when it’s so hot and even normal folks get testy, don’t be surprised if we see a rise up of folks who are tired of having crap jammed down their throats. I won’t start it but I’ll tell you what – I’m a pretty good shot.

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    • NEO says:

      As am I,and not the worst tactician in the world either. I agree, it’s looking like a long hot summer. I’m not ($ concerns) but several of my friends are now buying in 1000 lots, better prices they say.

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    • 39 Pontiac Dream says:

      Blooming hell, Audre! I always think of you as a kindly Christian lady so to read about you stockpiling ammunition, well, it just blows my mind!

      America is a strange, strange land…

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      • Scoop says:

        I think that in America (at least amongst patriots) we think that it is strange for a people to abrogate their right to defend home and property and their own lives to the government and the police as their only defense.

        We find that self-defense is a personal responsibility and that freedom and liberty is the duty of every citizen. It is our first line of defense and the laws and the peace keepers are our second line of defense. So when threatened, we quite logically know that we can’t ask the assailant to please await the arrival of a policeman.

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        • 39 Pontiac Dream says:

          I understand the need for citizens to protect their home and family. What I wonder about is the conflict between the average Christian and their undertaking of this, especially when you consider the commandment, thou shall not kill. To me, it always seems weird thinking about all those guns in America but gun ownership amongst Christians must be a mental struggle.

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        • NEO says:

          The line is properly translated in modern English as “Thous shalt not murder” which is how kill was used in Jacobean times. There is no dichotomy, Joel commands us to beat our ploughshares into swords, you know.

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        • Scoop says:

          The meaning as to what the word used was translated as “kill”. Murder is the proper modern equivalent. It is not against Christian teaching to protect ones life and property with equal force. In fact, it is part of Christian moral teaching.

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      • NEO says:

        Pontiac, we keep telling you, Americans are a people who will defend their birthright. That’s all Audre is referring to.

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      • audremyers says:

        There’s nothing in the Bible that says we can not protect ourselves, 39. Do I want to go out and shoot people? Of course not, but my life is worth the same as anyone else’s and until the Lord calls me home, I’m prepared to protect myself.

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  2. Scoop says:

    Under ordinary circumstances we do win, NEO, but we are looking at something extraordinary rather than the ordinary. When the mob and vigilantes are occupying (as they could by our votes or by tampering with the vote) the highest seats of the government and law enforcement then there is not such a clear cut outcome. If, the Presidency, Congress, Supreme Court and the Military (ordered to civil action by their Commander in Chief) are turned on the people the death and destruction, not to mention the Constitution and civil law will be stood upon its head. The deep state isn’t just foul, it is a means for sedition and the overthrow of the very foundations that this country was built upon. Tyranny always remains a possible outcome. It is not something that only happens to somebody else but it always lurks about as a potentiality that stalks order and uses disorder to open the floodgates of the tyrants. God help us retain our heritage.

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    • NEO says:

      I used to think that Scoop, here’s what changed my mind: Those fools have had almost 20 years to win in Afghanistan and they lost, I doubt the Afghan are better fighters than Americans, possibly as good, but not better. That is a very ugly, messy win with uncharted consequences but still a win.

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      • Scoop says:

        Ah yes, and rightfully spoken. However, our logistics for all goods including medicine, doctors, groceries and necessities are rather thin and strained even in normal times. We have no more than a weeks worth of these things on the shelves at any given time. It is not hard to start cutting those threads and after their successful test to see how much fear is required to gain our surrender to rationality via Covid-19 and this false BLM racial charade, they smell blood and a defeat in the polls is a frightening prospect. For it is not “sleepy” Joe Biden that I fear but the powers of the puppeteers and (most probable) Marxist VP that the DNC puts in charge which might tip the scales and unleash power of hell upon us. Perhaps another pandemic or more widespread violence coupled with the use of a ‘special’ police task force (think SS) to reestablish what they will call order. Nothing is beyond the pale today. The sharks smell the blood and are gathering for the feast. Fear is the primary weapon and terrorism has the ability to make of the majority a silenced and complicit public; fearing denial of services, disappearing, denied work or use of their currency . . . another thing we must expect . . . soon the dollar may be ended and replaced by electronic currency (also tested by the so-called epidemic).

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        • NEO says:

          Yep, I share your fears, only one answer, Buy more ammo, and do not take counsel of your (our) fears.

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        • Scoop says:

          Indeed so. But as I watch the conduct of the pandemic spawn creatures like Kathy’s out there one can’t help but remember the people of Germany turning in their mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters. Brainwashing has already taken place in our education system. Now all that is needed is a cause (or fear) large enough to unite the ignorant masses.

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        • NEO says:

          I don’t think it translate terribly well. America’s ignorant masses, and we have some, tend to be patriots, the Germans weren’t. Although the disaffection towards the government could change that.

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        • Scoop says:

          I speak of the ignorant masses as those who have been groomed in schools and colleges. Not those who are not bright, intellectually. Blue collar types and working men and women are not actually ignorant. They just don’t like sitting at a desk staring at a computer screen.

          It is the adherents to failed ideological ideals that are the simpletons. We see them everyday and almost everywhere. Democrats have many votes . . . and yet they have nothing to offer other than Marxism for the future. Now that seems to describe many a voter as ignorant.

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        • NEO says:

          Those will be a problem, if they are tough enough to hang around after the first volley, of course that will effect both sides.

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        • Scoop says:

          With the backing of the government they may be persuaded to get on the bandwagon. Peer pressure and fear pressure brings out the worst in people.

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        • NEO says:

          And the cavalry to their rear to prevent stragglers.

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        • Scoop says:

          Indeed so. Leave no straggler behind.

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  3. 39 Pontiac Dream says:

    I guess my response to the comments on this article is levelled to all Christian Americans. I understand the argument that God’s angels were seen as warriors. I understand the need to protect one’s home, family and friends from those meaning them harm. I understand that we’re living dangerously close to end times, with chaos raging across the globe. Where I question this need to stockpile and amass weapons is in relation to God’s messages of peace and harmony. I know that contradicts societal reality but the moral questions about freedom, liberty and the right to defend them against the moral duties Christians are asked to observe from the Bible must make the decisions of the average American Christian quite difficult.

    But what do I know. I don’t live in America and have never had to live with anything like the 2nd amendment. I’m also taking my first steps into Christianity and have nowhere near enough knowledge to question fellow Christians.

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    • NEO says:

      That’s why you got reasoned responses, from both Scoop and I.(BTW Scoop is Catholic and I’m Lutheran) our beliefs here are entirely consistent, as they are with our founders. The 2A was never about hunting, it was written to protect against tyranny, just as the nearly the same one in the English Bill of Rights

      I can’t speak for Scoop, but for me, it was a given, even from the pulpit, that I would grow up, and protect by whatever means necessary, myself, my family, my community, and my nation. That has always been seen here as our right, and our duty. That is one reason that my dream growing up was to fly bombers for the Air Force, now I’m a gray-haired, fat, old man, nothing whatsoever has changed at all. In truth, it hasn’t since 1620.

      And by the way, the way we all learn is by asking questions, Scoop is quite knowledgeable, as is Audre, and I ain’t too bad myself about it. You’ll find there are details we disagree on, but in the main we are all on the same page. Somethings are eternal Deus Vult.

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      • 39 Pontiac Dream says:

        Amen to that.

        This is why I like conservative sites. When we disagree – and I’ll be honest, I wish it happened more – the responses are, for the most part, measured and well reasoned. It’s a shame you can’t engage on leftist sites in the same way because I’d love to debate the left without ad hominem and/or insults.

        I don’t think there is disagreement under the line. I think we’re just coming at it from opposite directions and like I said, I’ve never been to a country that has anything like the second amendment. Walking around and seeing ordinary citizens with guns on their hips would never make me feel comfortable. Maybe America is just not for me.

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        • NEO says:

          Actually, very few open carry, other than in situations like hunting or an obvious threat. It can be nerve wracking wondering if that idiot over there is carrying. So mostly, you’ll never know, we only talk about it even, amongst ourselves. And for what its worth, most concealed carriers are much better trained than the police, it’s necessary, make a mistake and spend the rest of your life in jail is a motivator that the police don’t really have.

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        • the unit says:

          “… make a mistake and spend the rest of your life in jail”, thus be prepare to drag the body over the window sill headed into your home. (American maxim of sorts, how old I don’t know exactly, but since/after the Old West days.)
          https://yarn.co/yarn-clip/adc91164-9902-4827-861c-67d26dc6f6e6
          🙂

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        • NEO says:

          Yep, the very one I had in mind, although it appears to be untrue to the disappointment of rug cleaners across the country! 🙂

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