In a tempest that is reminiscent of the bad old days, when my people believed that Roman Catholics built monasteries on hilltops to ensure good positions for their artillery, Rick Warren is being called on to publicly repent for saying that we have much in common the Catholic church.
Well, duh! Of course we do. All one has to do is to read the Creeds, whether you prefer the Apostle’s, the Nicene, or even the Athanasian Creed. As Pastor Warren says we are Christians, believers in our personal Savior, Jesus Christ, who not only died, but is Risen, for us, we are one. Do we in our various churches, have differences? Of course, we do, and I do not think it either meet or fit for me to presume to judge others, That well above the pay grade of anybody on earth. That doesn’t mean that I don’t attempt to persuade others that I am right, because I believe I (and my church) are right, and I want others to as well
Here is part of the article of (and the video) on this controversy from the Christian News Network:
In a new video, megachurch leader and author Rick Warren is calling for Christians to unite with Roman Catholics and “Pope Francis,” who Warren recently referred to as the “Holy Father”—a move that is raising concerns among Christians nationwide and is resulting in calls for Warren to repent.
Warren made the comments following his visit to the Vatican last month, where he spoke at an interfaith conference on the “Complementarity of Man and Woman.”
“We have far more in common than what divides us,” he said in the two-minute video released by the Catholic News Service on Wednesday, described as being an outline for “an ecumenical vision for Catholics and Protestants to work together to defend the sanctity of life, sex and marriage.”
“They would all say, ‘We believe in the Trinity; we believe in the Bible; we believe in the resurrection; we believe in salvation through Jesus Christ,” Warren asserted, speaking of the various denominations within Christianity, of which he included Roman Catholicism. “These are the big issues.”
“Rick Warren says both the Catholics and the Protestants believe in the Bible. But, there is a significant difference between the Bible of the Protestants and the Roman Catholic Church, which has added seven books,” Slick wrote. “[T]here are numerous problems in the apocryphal books, such as the teaching of salvation by works [and] the offering of money for the sins of the dead.”
Except they didn’t, the Protestant churches took them out.
“Warren implies that both Protestants and Catholics have the same view of salvation,” he continued. “Though it’s technically correct to say that Catholics believe in salvation through Jesus Christ, they reject justification by faith alone in Christ alone. Instead, it teaches that good works of various kinds are necessary for salvation.”
Which is quite simply untrue. Read this Declaration:
ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION
by the Lutheran World Federation
and the Catholic Church
4.In their discussion of the doctrine of justification, all the dialogue reports as well as the responses show a high degree of agreement in their approaches and conclusions. The time has therefore come to take stock and to summarize the results of the dialogues on justification so that our churches may be informed about the overall results of this dialogue with the necessary accuracy and brevity, and thereby be enabled to make binding decisions.
5.The present Joint Declaration has this intention: namely, to show that on the basis of their dialogue the subscribing Lutheran churches and the Roman Catholic Church are now able to articulate a common understanding of our justification by God’s grace through faith in Christ. It does not cover all that either church teaches about justification; it does encompass a consensus on basic truths of the doctrine of justification and shows that the remaining differences in its explication are no longer the occasion for doctrinal condemnations.
Continuing from the article:
The Christian apologist then pointed to several Roman Catholic teachings on Mary, mainly from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), such as that Mary “by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation” and that “[b]y asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the ‘Mother of Mercy,’ the All-Holy One.”
“Rick Warren has not only failed to recognize the problems in these serious areas, but he has lent his credibility as a Protestant pastor in support of the Roman Catholic Church,” Slick wrote. “This should never be done by any Protestant pastor who takes the Bible seriously. I must conclude that Mr. Warren does not take the word of God seriously and/or he does not understand the damnable teachings of Roman Catholicism regarding salvation.”
“Rick Warren needs to repent,” he said.
Which is again utter tripe. there is nothing in my doctrine, that precludes Marian veneration. I know, because I studied it after Our Lady did intervene for me. It is now part of my daily prayers, as it was for the Rev. Dr. Luther.
Rick Warren’s Call for Christians to Unite With Catholics, ‘Holy Father’ Raising Concerns | Christian News Network.
Of course, being a Lutheran, and this is also true for Anglicans, and perhaps others, is that I am not only Protestant and Evangelical but Catholic (albeit not Roman) as well.
Rick Warren doesn’t need to repent, those who castigate him out of Jack Chick tracts do.
My co-blogger Chalcedon451 at All along the Watchtower had a few things to say about this nonsense as well.
Sometimes protestants think that Catholics worship Mary like she’s another god, but that’s not exactly Catholic doctrine,” Warren contended. “People say, ‘What are the saints all about? Why are you praying to the saints?’ And when you understand what they mean by what they’re saying, there’s a whole lot more commonality [that we have with Roman Catholics].”
And there’s the rub – ‘when you understand’. Warren states the profoundest truth when he says:
“There’s still real differences—no doubt about that,” Warren stated. “But the most important thing is, if you love Jesus, we’re on the same team.”
Indeed, and Amen to that. The same can be said of this comment:
“When it comes to the family, we are co-workers in the field in this for the protection of the sanctity of life, the sanctity of sex and the sanctity of marriage,” Warren said. “So, there’s a great commonality and there’s no division on any of those three.”
But instead of saying ‘alleluia’ and setting about the common enemy, many of his fellow Protestants prefer to set about him instead. Instead of trying to learn, some simply repeat the tired old stuff about Catholics adding seven books to the Bible (when it was the Protestants who took them away – just look at an Orthodox Bible), and teaching ‘works by salvation’. Never matter we don’t and never have, just repeat the old story, blow the old dog whistle and watch the mutts run toward it. The apologist for an apologist went on to repeat all the old untruths about Marian veneration before calling on Warren to ‘repent’.
Continue reading PC gone mad?
And that the real danger here, we live in a time when our faith is under attack, by secularists, relativism, by our governments (often the same thing, of course), by Islamic terrorists, and all and sundry.
It is time we end the Thirty Years War and its circular firing squad hangover.
Let’s end with a poem from the Alexandrian poet Cavafy, from a post of mine that is as relevant today as when I wrote it, The post is titled Walls, as is the poem..
Without consideration, without pity, without shame
they have built great and high walls around me.
And now I sit here and despair.
I think of nothing else: this fate gnaws at my mind;
for I had many things to do outside.
Ah why did I not pay attention when they were building the walls.
But I never heard any noise or sound of builders.
Imperceptibly they shut me from the outside world.